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    Hoi Ciell,<br>
    <br>
    Dat lijkt mij een goed idee. Zodra er een duidelijke voorkeur voor
    een datum naar voren komt, zal ik het afstemmen bij Beeld en Geluid.<br>
    <br>
    Groet,<br>
    <br>
    Maarten<br>
    <br>
    Op 23-06-11 16:31, Ciell Wikipedia schreef:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:BANLkTi=UPq2+_oVZ201HseWvnFK2Mjze6w@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Hoi Maarten,<br>
      <br>
      Bedankt voor je snelle reactie.<br>
      Zouden we dan in ieder geval 3 september en 1 oktober "in optie"
      kunnen nemen?<br>
      Dan schrijf ik die ook vast in mijn agenda namelijk en ga ik even
      hier en daar polsen welke datum mensen het beste uitkomt.<br>
      <br>
      Groetjes, Ciell<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">Op 23 juni 2011 16:03 schreef Maarten
        Brinkerink - Wikimedia Nederland <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
            moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:wmnl@maartenbrinkerink.net">wmnl@maartenbrinkerink.net</a>&gt;</span>
        het volgende:<br>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
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          <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hoi allen,<br>
            <br>
            Zoals volgens mij eerder aangegeven kan ik in augustus in
            iedergeval niet (mijn vakantie). 3 september kan wel, maar
            de 17e houd ik graag vrij i.v.m. mogelijke deelname aan de
            halve finale van de Grote Prijs van NL met mijn bandje. 1
            oktober kan ook.<br>
            <br>
            Groet,<br>
            <font color="#888888"> <br>
              Maarten<br>
            </font><br>
            P.S. Zoals eerder aangegeven, zodra we een datum hebben moet
            ik nog wel voor de zekerheid navragen of er geen bijzondere
            evenementen bij Beeld en Geluid zijn o.i.d. Dat kunnen nog
            show-stoppers zijn.<br>
            <br>
            Op 23-06-11 15:48, Ciell Wikipedia schreef:
            <div>
              <div class="h5">
                <blockquote type="cite">Kunnen we in ieder geval vast 2
                  data kiezen misschien?<br>
                  <br>
                  Maarten: kun jij al alle genoemde dagen?<br>
                  <br>
                  Groetjes, Ciell <br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">Op 16 juni 2011 10:05 schreef
                    Siebrand Mazeland <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:s.mazeland@xs4all.nl"
                        target="_blank">s.mazeland@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span>
                    het volgende:<br>
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                        <div>Je hebt gelijk.<br>
                          <br>
                          --
                          <div>
                            <div>Siebrand Mazeland</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>M: +31 6 50 69 1239</div>
                            <div>Skype: siebrand</div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                          Op 16 jun. 2011 om 09:53 heeft Ciell Wikipedia
                          &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com</a>&gt;

                          het volgende geschreven:<br>
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                            <blockquote type="cite">
                              <div>Hoi,<br>
                                <br>
                                Siebrand, zie de mails tussen ons en
                                Ziko van 22 mei: <br>
                                "Een zaterdag met misschien 20-30
                                mensen, in een locatie waar ook werken
                                in kleinere groepen mogelijk is, met
                                OTRS-mensen, moderatoren, coaches, maar
                                ook andere actieve<br>
                                leden of wikipedianen die zich vragen
                                hoe de "openness" en vriendelijkheid van
                                Wikipedia kan worden bevorderd.
                                Misschien ook met iemand van buiten."<br>
                                Het klinkt mij toch als breder van het
                                "-1 to 100" project?<br>
                                <br>
                                Lodewijk: ik ben het niet met je eens
                                dat WLM en een workshop elkaar zullen
                                bijten, er zit misschien een overlap in
                                de doelgroep, maar het verschil tussen
                                de doelgroepen is een stuk groter als
                                een workshop en de WCN. Ik zou er zeker
                                niet meer voor kiezen om het half
                                oktober te gaan doen...<br>
                                <br>
                                Groetjes, Ciell<br>
                                <br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">Op 16 juni 2011
                                  00:06 schreef Lodewijk <span
                                    dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org"
                                      target="_blank">lodewijk@effeietsanders.org</a>&gt;</span>
                                  het volgende:<br>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                    style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;
                                    border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204,
                                    204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Hoi,
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>ik had eigenlijk vooral
                                      aangegeven dat september wmb niet
                                      zo'n geweldige periode is omdat er
                                      dan al zoveel events worden
                                      georganiseerd. Deels natuurlijk
                                      omdat je dan organisatorisch krap
                                      komt te zitten, deels ook omdat je
                                      dan gewoon teveel de aandacht op
                                      teveel verschillende dingen gaat
                                      vestigen. Ik ben bang dat je dan
                                      elkaar in de weg zit. Oktober zie
                                      ik daar juist als een mooie kans
                                      (half oktober) omdat de mensen die
                                      op de workshop afkomen meestal
                                      toch wel naar die conferentie
                                      komen (tenzij het ze teveel geld
                                      is) en het een klein groepje is.&nbsp;</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Verder kan ik me overigens
                                      prima in de plannen vinden :)&nbsp;</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>groetjes,</div>
                                    <div>Lodewijk
                                      <div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/15
                                            Ciell Wikipedia <span
                                              dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank">ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
                                            <blockquote
                                              class="gmail_quote"
                                              style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
                                              0.8ex; border-left: 1px
                                              solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
                                              padding-left: 1ex;">Hoi
                                              Siebrand, Lodewijk,
                                              Maarten,<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Samenvattend zouden wij
                                              beiden op de volgende
                                              zaterdagen kunnen:<br>
                                              13 augustus<br>
                                              3, 17 sept (ik plan er
                                              mijn eigen vakantie wel
                                              omheen ;-)<br>
                                              1 okt?<br>
                                              Verder de herfst in zou ik
                                              niet gaan, vanwege de
                                              conferentie in November.
                                              Die zal naar mijn mening
                                              wel redelijk hetzelfde
                                              publiek trekken als een
                                              workshop, dus ik zou daar
                                              echt wel een paar weken
                                              tussen willen laten. Ik
                                              denk inderdaad niet dat
                                              WLM zo belastend zijn zal
                                              voor ons. <br>
                                              <br>
                                              Lodewijk: jij bent dan wel
                                              druk, maar wil je er zelf
                                              graag bij zijn?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Maarten: 30 juli gaat hem
                                              dus niet worden, past &eacute;&eacute;n
                                              van de andere data je
                                              misschien ook?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Siebrand: "-1 to 100": ik
                                              zie er zelf nog niet heel
                                              veel heil in. Je link
                                              lezend, wordt ik nog niet
                                              erg enthousiast. Wat zijn
                                              de voordelen voor onze
                                              gebruikers, moderatoren,
                                              etc? Vanuit ziko ligt er
                                              nog steeds het verzoek
                                              iets met "Community
                                              Health" te doen: hebben
                                              die misschien raakvlakken,
                                              ligt er iets interessants
                                              in het midden?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Vriendelijke groet, Ciell<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div class="gmail_quote">Op
                                                10 juni 2011 16:00
                                                schreef Siebrand
                                                Mazeland <span
                                                  dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:s.mazeland@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">s.mazeland@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span>
                                                het volgende:<br>
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                                                  class="gmail_quote"
                                                  style="margin: 0pt 0pt
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                                                        Calibri,sans-serif;">
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>Hoi
                                                          Ciell,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Hier dan
                                                          eindelijk mijn
                                                          antwoord. Ik
                                                          weet dat je er
                                                          al weken met
                                                          smart op zit
                                                          te wachten!</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Dit zijn
                                                          de data waarop
                                                          ik verhinderd
                                                          ben de komende
                                                          maanden:</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <ul>
                                                          <li>17 juli</li>
                                                          <li>30 juni &nbsp;-
                                                          17 juli</li>
                                                          <li>1 augustus
                                                          &nbsp;- 9 augustus</li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>In
                                                          september is
                                                          wat mij
                                                          betreft prima.
                                                          MaartenB is
                                                          niet al te
                                                          zwaar belast
                                                          met WLM voor
                                                          zover ik weet,
                                                          ik eigenlijk
                                                          helemaal niet,
                                                          en jij ook
                                                          niet.
                                                          Daarnaast
                                                          willen we met
                                                          WLM vooral
                                                          niet alleen
                                                          moderatoren
                                                          bezighouden
                                                          (die willen we
                                                          graag
                                                          moderator
                                                          laten zijn,
                                                          toch?) en daar
                                                          kannibaliseren
                                                          we ook niet in
                                                          activiteiten.
                                                          Laten we dus
                                                          een datum
                                                          prikken. Een
                                                          zaterdag, neem
                                                          ik aan, niet?
                                                          3, 10, 17, 24
                                                          september zijn
                                                          de zaterdagen
                                                          in die maan.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Wie
                                                          zouden we
                                                          zeker willen
                                                          betrekken bij
                                                          de discussie
                                                          over "-1 to
                                                          100"[1]?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>--&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div>Siebrand
                                                          Mazeland</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>M: +31 6
                                                          50 69 1239</div>
                                                          <div>Skype:
                                                          siebrand</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>[1]&nbsp;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/-1_to_100" target="_blank">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/-1_to_100</a></div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
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                                                          0in 0in;"> <span
                                                          style="font-weight:
                                                          bold;">Van: </span>
                                                          Ciell
                                                          Wikimedia &lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          <span
                                                          style="font-weight:
                                                          bold;">Beantwoorden
                                                          - Aan: </span>
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:werkgroep-trainingen@lists.wmnederland.nl" target="_blank">werkgroep-trainingen@lists.wmnederland.nl</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          <span
                                                          style="font-weight:
                                                          bold;">Datum:
                                                          </span> Fri,
                                                          27 May 2011
                                                          14:58:56 +0200<br>
                                                          <span
                                                          style="font-weight:
                                                          bold;">Aan: </span>
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:werkgroep-trainingen@lists.wmnederland.nl" target="_blank">werkgroep-trainingen@lists.wmnederland.nl</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          <span
                                                          style="font-weight:
                                                          bold;">CC: </span>
                                                          Lodewijk &lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org"
                                                          target="_blank">lodewijk@effeietsanders.org</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          <span
                                                          style="font-weight:
                                                          bold;">Onderwerp:
                                                          </span>
                                                          [Werkgroep-trainingen]
                                                          Trainingen
                                                          voor komende
                                                          tijd<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Hoi Siebrand,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Maarten B kan
                                                          dus een ruimte
                                                          bij Beeld en
                                                          Geluid voor
                                                          ons regelen,
                                                          ook op een
                                                          zaterdag, waar
                                                          ongeveer 15-20
                                                          man in kunnen.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Ondertussen
                                                          zijn er de
                                                          afgelopen tijd
                                                          vrij veel
                                                          nieuwe
                                                          moderatoren
                                                          ingestroomd in
                                                          de bestaande
                                                          groep
                                                          moderatoren op
                                                          Wikipedia NL
                                                          en bestaat er
                                                          dus blijkbaar
                                                          ook bij het
                                                          bestuur de
                                                          wens om iets
                                                          met een
                                                          brainstorm
                                                          over de
                                                          benadering van
                                                          nieuwelingen
                                                          te gaan doen.
                                                          Dat lijkt me
                                                          een goed idee,
                                                          zolang het de
                                                          WCN
                                                          onderwerpen
                                                          niet zal
                                                          bijten, maar
                                                          dat verwacht
                                                          ik eigenlijk
                                                          niet direct.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Mijn voorstel
                                                          is om de
                                                          interesse voor
                                                          een training
                                                          Wikimedia te
                                                          peilen via de
                                                          maillijst voor
                                                          moderatoren:
                                                          zo kunnen we
                                                          misschien een
                                                          basisgroep bij
                                                          elkaar krijgen
                                                          en deze via
                                                          een oproep op
                                                          de wiki
                                                          aanvullen met
                                                          andere leden
                                                          uit de
                                                          gemeenschap.
                                                          De brainstorm
                                                          zou ik voor
                                                          alsnog geen op
                                                          zich staande
                                                          workshop laten
                                                          zijn, maar
                                                          bijvoorbeeld
                                                          in een uur
                                                          voorafgaand
                                                          aan de
                                                          training zelf
                                                          laten
                                                          plaatsvinden.
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Zelf zou ik
                                                          eventueel
                                                          kunnen op 2
                                                          juli, anders
                                                          in september.
                                                          Lodewijk wil
                                                          ons ook helpen
                                                          eventueel,
                                                          maar hij zit
                                                          in september
                                                          reeds vrij vol
                                                          met WLM.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Wat vind je
                                                          ervan?</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </span></div>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
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